Originally by: CCP Nozh

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But this is something we'll be keeping a close eye on.

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Originally by: Deros

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*WORDS" ...it simply become a case of more ships wins.

D

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Hurray, finally it's being balanced.

But I'm not happy to see how it's being done. Fine, the speed is being curved off. The points being made, are that the nano-problem is because of the blobs out there.

So surely it's bad to nerf nano's, without giving more reasons to actually fly small gangs? People blob now, because they can and there is no reason to fly in smaller gangs. I think that is bad.

Sure, shoot the messenger. But at least do see the message that is being brought forward.

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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin

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Originally by: CCP Nozh

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Answering a few common questions:

Death to small roaming gangs

- Small roaming gangs existed long before polycarbon engine housings and snake sets. Sure we're reducing the maximum speed achievable but you'll still be able to go a lot faster than a standard MWD fit with various speed mods.

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This is a pretty horrible argument, EVE was a totally different game back then, less players, pre-NOS-nerf, pre-ECM-nerf, pre-whatever else nerf. Or do you mean to say that you're bringing those back now? Small roaming gangs back then worked because there were other powerful tools available for smaller gangs, now as it is nano is one of the few remaining options for a small roaming gang to avoid running into a vastly superior force and dying immediately.

Originally by: CCP Dionysus

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This weekend's knee-jerk comments will be taken with a large grain of salt. If you (in general "you") want to do something about these changes, then get on sisi and try out various scenarios and give feedback then :)

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The only time in the past when anything actually changed from CCP:s own supposedly Dev-blog "idea" to what actually went on Tranquility was when THEoneTHATshallBEunnamed suggested some ridiculous carrier-changes, and the only reason it got changed was because of overwhelming criticism BEFORE THEY WERE IMPLEMENTED ON SISI. You're telling me that your coders will make all these changes on SiSi only to have to revamp them because of eg. a week of testing? Once it hits Sisi it's obviously gone through a chain of decisionmaking and player-feedback from the "in general 'you'" is mostly PR-nonsense (akin to CSM-influence).

We object because we like this game and wish it not to go south like so many other MMO:s that changed because the devs catered to those who whined too much from the get-go. You have a working game-mechanic, and as the old saying goes: If it's not broken, don't fix it.

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Originally by: CCP Dionysus

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Originally by: Asero

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[Vagabond, Nano]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Barrage M
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Thunderbolt Heavy Missile

Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Hobgoblin II x5
that includes NO implants and NO gang bonuses.
gives me 5654 speed and a 6.4sec align time

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same setup:
3334 m/s not sure on align time - but its about 9 sec at full speed when trying to turn about 180 deg

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Originally by: NerftheSmurf

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A vaga fit with: 3x gyro/nano ii/od ii, 1x aux thruster i goes 4368 m/s w/o implants. What would this change to?

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Originally by: Apertotes

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*words*

welcome to the world of non-consentual PVP

*words*

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Originally by: Call'Da Poleece

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QFT ... I could flush the toilet with the amount of tears in this thread. By the looks of it almost all of Pathetic Legion will be unsubscribing in a couple of months... oh the joy

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This nerf is going to kill us like the wcs nerf killed Burn Eden.

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Originally by: Silver Sarena

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/flamesuit on

Yes. I am a carebear. I run missions. I enjoy them. So, everyone can insult me, stop listening, and move on now. But, I will have my say anyway. That is what the forums are for after all.

Once again, and as usual, it seems that CCP is looking ONLY at PvP when considering changes; and completely ignoring (read: not giving a flying F) how it affects the rest of the player base.

Does speed need to be adjusted in PvP? Yes. It has needed to be for a LOOOONG time. (Yes, I do PvP occasionally too. Don't feint if you're still reading.) But, do you need to pull out the nerf-hammer to fix the system? NO!

The answer is staring CCP in the face, but they fail to see it, as usual. You want ships to have "defined top speeds that fit into their designed rolls" CCP? Fine. Hard code the speed maximums you feel are appropriate into the different ship classes. Boom. Done.

You say that you don't want to limit players creativity (in ship design) by setting hard maximums into the ship designs? But, isn't that EXACTLY what you are doing with this overly complicated set of unnecessary nerfs? And, at the same time, having a MASSIVE amount of unintended collateral damage in the process?

CCP OBVIOUSLY does not have a problem with hard coded limits; i.e. 250km max target distance, anyone???

Another change that makes AWESOME sense, and is badly needed, is the warp scrambler immediately dropping the effect of the MWD off of a ship. You get hit with a scrambler, and boom, you moving like a normal ship again. This makes absolute sense and fits in with game mechanics as they currently stand. I.E. You can't use MWD in most dead space pockets.

All of the rest of the changes are just mindless nerfs that are going to cost CCP accounts more than anything. Am I going to quit over them? No. But some hot-headed people will. Especially since the nerf-train has seemed to be out of control up at CCP for the last 2 years or more.

Summary: CCP, hard code the speed limits that fit into what your "vision" of what the different classes should be. Make scramblers immediately drop the speed bonus from MWDs. LEAVE THE REST ALONE. There. You'd be done with a minimum amount of pain; especially avoiding most of the pain to the PvE people who you are not trying to limit.

There. I've had my say. Everyone can ignore me and go back to what they were doing now.

Cheers.

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Originally by: facialimpediment

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Originally by: Carebear Caring

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Worst dev blog ever, who ever thought of this should be fired tbqh

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Personally, I'd prefer that whoever wrote the dev blog actually played the damn game.

Seriously.

That's not much to ask.

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